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Wijnand
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Yes of course! It's very good you keep repeating that, because it's 100% true. That for sure is not the problem, but when we look once again to reply 197472 where I have drawn this 8 bit dac. When a digital value is 100% correct it doesn't mean the shape of the bit that actually is read analog is perfect as well. Let's say the data shapes are 100% the sound will be 100% as well. When the data is less than 100% for example 25%. Then the digital value can still be 100%, but when we use this 25% shaped data and transfer it in an analog voltage you will hear the build of the 25%. When you look at the vector. Then you see that each line will be more horizontal (smaller corners) this means that each frequency will be actually lower than it should be. High frequencies will suffer much more of this than lower frequencies

 

 


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Wijnand
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Let's think of 8 glasses which we can fill with water. Each glass represents a bit in the byte. Now when there's water in the glass it's true when the glass is empty it's false. Let's put water in 4 glasses. One we will fill with 20% water, one with 24%, one with 30% and one with 54%.

This means the outcome is 01010101

Now we do this again but now we will fill those glasses with 100% water

The outcome is 01010101

Will the sound be the same when we make it analog by pouring the water through resistors?

 


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Tobias
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Yes, i believe this is the same things as Hans B is talking about when he says that it starts looking like this _/ instead of having vertical lines. This is caused by noise hitting the DAC clock, from how i understand him.

What people has never understood is how incredible sensitive this is. When we do stuff, prior to the DAC, we are basically just modulating the noise and since the DAC is incredible sensitive it reacts even if you only insert another cable, or add an addtional clock, way before in the signal chain since the noise profile changed just a tiny bit.


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Wijnand
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Maybe he means the same. Jitter time based.

More important is the reason that it happens. I think when crystal can't run on a stable frequency. They must capture the data in less than a complete clock cycle. Which means half filled glasses. So when all clocks would synchronize downstream. We would get good filled glasses. We can do this by trying crystal to listen better downstream than upstream. The ferrite core will work against the stream which means the data that is sent will have more influence than the answer will have.


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Tobias
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But the beauty with digital is that it is only about 0 and 1, which makes it perfect in all conditions.

There are no such components involved like you are talking about. Digital is a genius invention in that it can´t be almost perfect, not even in an audio context.


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