
Measurements network filters
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The measurement setup for this little filter is relatively simple. We grabbed a very dirty PoE switch: the GS108TP from Netgear. This was fed from the LISN to keep the grounding equal in the measurement setup.
The data network is decoupled via the blue box: a CDN – Coupling / Decoupling network. (Conpower CDN T8). We measure each filter by including it in the network.
The noise is measured from the CDN which has a BNC connector. We connect this to a splitter from Tekbox that can split common mode and differential mode. From this splitter, two cables go into the PicoScope 5000. There we measure between 10 KHz and 2 MHz.
Baseline
These are measurements of the GS108TP PoE switch, directly at the measurement setup. So no filters. Above – blue – is common mode noise. Red is differential mode noise. We also did a measurement where we hooked up the GS108TP to the “input” of the CDN and measured the Volumio Primo. That way we can see the effect on the streamer.
In both cases, it is – to put it mildly – not great. But that is also the intention, because we want to see how the filters do their job.
English Electric EE1
Do these filters do anything? Well… check yourself. We see in common mode a reduction of 17dB on the peaks and about 7dB across the noise floor. That’s unquestionably very decent.
Differential mode is a similar story, although it reduces the peaks a bit less: 10dB or so. But that it has an effect is obvious.
‘Behind the Volumio’ the effect is also clear. A particularly large number of peaks disappear. On average, it’s just a much more calm picture.
Medical Grade
As you can see, the measurements are fairly similar. It attenuates a little more than the English Electric. Both common mode and differential mode. Although we see a flatter noise floor in the higher spectrum with the EE1 in differential mode.
Looking at the measurements on the Volumio, we see a slightly different result. There, the EE1 does slightly better when it comes to overall noise floor. The peaks are a bit lower on the medical grade, though.
Pink Faun
Surely the Pink Fain measures differently from the EE1. We see at common mode a big hump at the beginning. The EE1 is flat there. This does not directly affect the peaks. The average noise floor is very low: even lower than the medical grade version.
The result on the Volumio is almost the same. These are nuances.
Delock
It’s striking how similar the Delock measures up to the Pink Faun. We really had to check a few times to make sure we didn’t open the wrong file. So the story is similar to the Pink Faun.
GS108T
Then a switch. How well does a standard network switch isolate? Well: pretty decent, of course. But don’t expect miracles when a switchmode power supply is attached to it, either. Because, as we know, that too is noisy. Just like the active components in the switch itself. We now see a lot of ‘dirt’ in the same place as the “noise”. After that, it is very quiet.
Differential mode is a lot better attenuated than with a regular isolator. We honestly didn’t expect that.
Going to the result with the Volumio streamer in the chain, the picture is fairly similar but we still see a slightly less clean result than with the isolator; there are a bit more “sticks” in the spectrum. That must be the power supply having an influence. Or perhaps some active components on the circuit board of the switch itself.
Daisy Chain
Now what happens when you put a couple of insulators in series? Well … that effect varies. It can make an improvement, but it can also throw the whole thing off.
For example, the Delock with the EE1 does not work at all. It just gives more noise. The Pink Faun with EE1 works fine. That gives a little more calmness. Everything in sequence also works. But not sonically … :-).
Has anyone tried the Acoustic Revive RLI-1 LAN??
Does it matter where in the network chain where you place these network Isolators?? I had a Pink Fawn and had it running into my streamer, there was a slight improvement. I have 3 ethernet cables in my system, was wondering if it would make sense to put a LAN isolator on the end of each ethernet cable? I would so to speak isolate my incoming fiber converter, router and switch. Or should i just go with the AA spirit and test all 3 for shits and giggles 🙂
Yes. It does matter. What the best position is, I can’t say. You will have to try.
I guess in theory each isolator should stop any kind kind of electrical contamination? Or? I’m only using logic and theory from changing out all my standard power supplies to Sbooster and plixir.
Yeah. They do. But the effect can be different.
The iFi is an affordable way to improve very noisy situations like my Intel NUC’s RJ45 port. Used with Cisco switches which are given quality power or a good singlemode fiber segment (I recommend Finisar FTLX1475D3BTL transceivers), however, this device doesn’t do so much in my system.
Thank you for your continued focus on the importance of the network to sound quality.
I have to agree on the Ifi LAN iSilencer. I already had the Netgear gs105 and the Ipower X power supply and then added the LAN iSilencer into my very noisy WiFi extender, before the switch.
Wow, it was the biggest improvement so far, which was not expected.
I hear on many forums that the LAN iSilencer seem to do an excellent job plugged into very noisy sources, as the starting point of a clean ethernet signal. Not so much if plugged in later in the signal chain.
Makes sense.
Just to help others that might read here, if my words matter… :-)… I also want to share that my next step was to buy the Wireworld Starlight 8 ethernet cable which was a clear step up in price… But at this point I was no-longer questioning the logic and i just understood that I have to protect this lower noise floor I now have out from my switch, into my streamer. Maybe I went overboard with ethernet cable, i don´t know…
But, again, I was very surprised about the difference that also did, even though I was at this point prepared that it would make it better (by listening to others). These things are very fun and rewarding!
You are doing such a great job for the audio community, thanks a bunch!
Hi Jaap, very interesting! I have the same Netgear switch (on your advice) with Chord C-stream (in) and Chord Shawline (out) ethernet cables connected to my new Lumin D3 streamer.
I just bought an IFI Audio Ipower X for it. Is that right first upgrade path or would you go for a filter like the English Electric EE1 or the IFi just mentioned ?
regards Fransbert
Adding an IFI iPower X is definately a great step. The EE1 is nice, but a great switch with good power supply is also a very audible step up. Let us know how you experienced it.
Hi Jaap, in a AB test the IFI iPower X shows more dynamics, darker/more quiet background, more open space. You get the impression it is at a higher volume level, but that is the bigger contrast I think. The original power adapter the soundstage is more compact and hs more back ground noise. So a huge improvement! Thanks!
Welcome! Glad it worked out!
What a pity the iFi LAN Silencer was missing.
And of course would be great to see the pioneers in this field, Network Acoustics with an Eno/Muon Pro.
This wasn’t a full comparative test.
Wow Nice! I just bought an IFI Lan isolator. The Ifi is supplied with an isolation transformer and filter ceramics. The price is below 100€. In the past I had 8 Pink Faun Lan isolators, which I used for a test. I sold 7 of them last year.
Hopefully I don’t take position of the wrong chair :-), but for the last 3 weeks I’m running a network test again myself. So I could not resist to share my experience as well. In the test are 4 routers. 6 Switch types, 300M Lan cable of different types. 4 optic converter types of which singlemode and multimode. 3 types of high grade power supplies. 2 types of Ocxo clocks.
I have tested a solution where the router was completely isolated by fiber connections. Also with the lan isolators.
What seemed to be important is that every setup needed several days to stabilize. Before I could jump into a conclusion. For example replacing the switch mode adapter of the Netgear switch by a linear power supply it needed two days before the sound stabilized.
What I think is very interesting. Is the effect of the router on the complete network. The router doesn’t really bother when there’s only one filtered Lan cable connected. Everything in the network behind this Lan cable is stable. For example on a switch are several devices (some not audio related) connected and they don’t harm the sound of the audiosystem much, but when one or more of these devices are directly connected at the router, then the trouble begins. When the router is troubled, there’s nothing that can make the sound good, by filters, power supplies etc. So keep the router in its comfortzone. Do not connect noisy equipment directly to the router. I would isolate the WAN and 1 LAN by an ethernet isolator. From the ethernet isolator directly to a switch for even better isolation. From there the network can be built. What I never will do again is connect a fiber converter directly at a router port.
I will give the IFI another week before I can compare it with the Pink Faun isolator.
Seems like an extensive test! 🙁
That’s for sure, but there really was a problem with my system. I was already searching for 2.5 years several hours a day and night. Many parts of my system have been replaced a few times. A new ground system was installed. All cabling is replaced. The streamer is replaced. All sorts of power supplies are installed. The room is changed. Switched internet provider. There was really strange behavior everytime after a change it was near perfect again, but 1 or 2 days later is completely wrong again. Wel at the end literally after a few thousand hours of searching… near 150 themes… who could think about that. So lately the ethernet system came into the picture again. And now it seems it was the router all along which caused extreme impact. Of course I tried several times to disconnect the router, but even then it took too many hours before the system reacted and that’s why I never found it before.
Glad you found it. 👍
Thanks! Me too 🙂
Very interesting! I too have a Pink Fawn and would love to hear the results between the IFI and Pink Fawn.
I will see what I can do.
I am very interested in how it will turn out with iFi. Let me know. Thanks David
I’m curious about the outcome of your comparison Ifi vs pink faun. I’m using an Ifi and considering purchasing more for my network. Thanks in advance for your comment.
I havent tested the IFI. Sorry.
Hi Jaap, my question was intended for Wijnand who wants to make a comparison between Ifi and Pink Faun. Didn’t address my question sorry.
No problem!
Jaap; Absolutely well done!!
Thanks man!